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GearCity 1.18 Progress
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(02-13-2015, 09:27 AM)Eric.B Wrote:
(02-13-2015, 03:47 AM)Frankschtaldt Wrote: Stuff like revs being less than half realistic numbers and turbos still not behaving realistically.
I will have a bit of time to sink into it in the morning but with the quick fiddle I just had I get the feeling I'm going to have a pretty big list of suggestions.
Which valves are you choosing and which turbos? The valuetrain effects RPMs, so be sure to compare apples and apples. Also turbo now has 4 stages. Stage I is pretty weak. The larger stages give a bigger boost.

Also note, the RPMs are no longer readline, it's Peak Power at RPMs, but that being said, I did match up stats for a few dozen engines between 1920 and now. So if you think it's off, you'll need some hard data to prove me wrong. Tongue

I take back part of what I said, RPM's aren't too low. I'm pretty sure I was making a 2L I5 (in 1950) using a T head but I must have been using a 2 stroke or something because it was peaking at about 1500rpm. It's not behaving that way now so I must have done a booboo in my tiredness. I will say though that I think SOHC and DOHC might actually be revving a little too hard.

As for turbos, I'm not talking about the amount of power they give (though I do believe they are still too low, but I haven't seen stage 4 yet so not sure) but how they produce it.
In almost every real life engine that I have seen that has been released to the market in a natmo and turbo version, the turbo gains more torque than power and peak power output arrives at a lower RPM. Your turbo's do exactly the opposite.

Some examples:
natmo then turbo
Ford Barra 4L I6 - 195kW@6000/391Nm@3250 vs 270kW@5250/550@2-4000
38%more power vs 41%more torque

Hyundai 1.6L I4 - 103kW@6300/166Nm@4850 vs 150kW@6000/256Nm@17-4500
46% more power vs 54% more torque

Porshce 3.8L flat 6 - 294kW@7400/440Nm@5600 vs 383kW@6000/660Nm@2-5000
30% more power vs 50% more torque

BMW N52 vs N54 - 190kW@6600/310Nm@2600 vs243kW@5800/450Nm@15-4500
28% more power vs 45% more torque

There are a hand full of exceptions but they've been very carefully engineered to get around the natural behaviour of a turbo which is to lag at idle, push really hard under power at low to mid range and then peter off again at high revs.
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GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-03-2015, 11:37 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-03-2015, 11:40 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-03-2015, 11:52 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-04-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-06-2015, 12:44 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-09-2015, 12:42 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-10-2015, 03:25 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-13-2015, 01:37 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-14-2015, 12:23 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-14-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-15-2015, 10:58 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-16-2015, 12:49 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-16-2015, 04:54 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-17-2015, 09:15 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-18-2015, 01:17 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-20-2015, 01:38 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-20-2015, 03:43 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-21-2015, 10:41 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-22-2015, 01:32 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-23-2015, 12:51 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-26-2015, 12:41 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-27-2015, 12:40 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 01-27-2015, 05:31 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-27-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Tridon - 01-28-2015, 06:02 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-29-2015, 12:49 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 01-29-2015, 02:12 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-29-2015, 09:47 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 01-29-2015, 03:24 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-30-2015, 01:11 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 01-30-2015, 01:55 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-30-2015, 01:18 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 01-30-2015, 06:51 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 01-30-2015, 09:49 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-01-2015, 01:47 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-01-2015, 02:08 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-03-2015, 04:24 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-05-2015, 04:17 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-07-2015, 01:32 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-09-2015, 01:01 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-09-2015, 05:10 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-11-2015, 02:53 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-12-2015, 09:53 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 12:22 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 03:47 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by foreverska - 02-13-2015, 05:04 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 05:52 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-13-2015, 09:27 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 06:25 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by foreverska - 02-13-2015, 07:53 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 07:37 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-13-2015, 08:26 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 08:30 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-13-2015, 09:13 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 09:33 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-13-2015, 09:58 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-13-2015, 10:52 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-13-2015, 11:55 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-14-2015, 12:55 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by foreverska - 02-14-2015, 01:41 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-14-2015, 01:50 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by foreverska - 02-14-2015, 02:11 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-14-2015, 01:07 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-14-2015, 06:16 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-14-2015, 06:28 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-15-2015, 01:08 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-15-2015, 06:13 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-15-2015, 08:12 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-15-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-15-2015, 05:12 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-15-2015, 08:13 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-16-2015, 11:07 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-18-2015, 04:16 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-20-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 02-20-2015, 01:22 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Tridon - 02-23-2015, 04:15 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-23-2015, 12:55 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 02-26-2015, 12:56 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-03-2015, 03:43 AM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-06-2015, 04:49 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-07-2015, 01:21 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-07-2015, 01:24 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-11-2015, 02:40 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 03-11-2015, 06:54 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-11-2015, 08:08 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 03-11-2015, 09:12 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-13-2015, 07:29 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-22-2015, 12:27 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-22-2015, 07:15 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-22-2015, 09:16 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-26-2015, 09:01 AM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-28-2015, 10:08 AM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 03-31-2015, 02:48 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 03-31-2015, 03:10 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 03-31-2015, 08:04 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Frankschtaldt - 04-01-2015, 02:00 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-01-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-01-2015, 04:35 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-02-2015, 12:26 AM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-05-2015, 04:19 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-16-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-17-2015, 02:24 PM
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RE: GearCity 1.18 Progress - by Eric.B - 04-30-2015, 08:05 AM
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